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Energy Management by Wiser - baggins - 23.03.2019 Hi, I'm looking for a way to get as much information as possible on my energy consumption. I came across 'Energy Management System' by Wiser ( https://www.schneider-electric.com/en/product-range-presentation/62107-wiser-energy/ ) but I cannot find much information on how to get at the data that is collects. There is of course the app, but I would prefer to have this integrated in my KNX system using LM. Does someone have any experience with this? Thanks. RE: Energy Management by Wiser - Erwin van der Zwart - 23.03.2019 Hi, Wiser Energy is a part of the new Schneider Electric platform 'Wiser' for residential. The system will exist of the modules Light, Heat, Energy and Door. The plan is to make this compatible with Wiser for KNX. The system is not launched in the Netherlands before end of this year so i have not played with it yet. I will ask the team for more info on the API, i will see them next Thursday. You need the Wiser Home Touch as gateway to the Zigbee products. The Wiser Energy has his own NIC so probably we can link directly to the Energy module. BR, Erwin RE: Energy Management by Wiser - baggins - 23.03.2019 (23.03.2019, 14:54)Erwin van der Zwart Wrote: Hi, Thanks, in Belgium it seems to be available already, or at least announced... RE: Energy Management by Wiser - AlexLV - 24.03.2019 Hi, I think you can do your power metering a little faster than wait new products You can try to find "Power Tag" solution from Schneider. We can install this solution very easily to existing cabinet. Idea - one receiver in cabinet with network connection and some wireless modules (1 or 3 phases) connected directly to your circuit breakers. They measure current and voltage, and of course consumpted power. Main module has Modbus over TCP - I think no any problem create profile and connect to LM. In this system also exist curcuit breakers you can on/off through main module.. I was very surprised during presentation and testing of this system.. Some info below: https://www.schneider-electric.com/en/product-range/63626-powertag/?Nrpp=40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hOWEp4bGFs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmMe8W427_I Price also is interesting enough. For main input control in my house I use "Janitza" PM device I connected to Schneider Modbus/Network gateway and created profile for it. But in my case I need additionally use current tranformers to measure current. My device: https://www.janitza.com/umg-103-cbm.html BR, Alexander RE: Energy Management by Wiser - Erwin van der Zwart - 24.03.2019 Hi, True, we have a lot of products to do power measurement, all with there own specific measurement quality and build in features. Wiser has been developped for the residential market and based on the requirements in that segment. This results in a perfect balance of price and functionallity and makes Wiser a much cheaper solution then the powertags, both products will do the job but, for the residential market, most of the time a high accurency product like the powertag will be to expensive. Glad to hear powertag is on a good price level in your opinion, i personally would use it instead of wiser because of the easy installing, but reality is that majority of the market makes their selection based on price. BR, Erwin RE: Energy Management by Wiser - AlexLV - 26.03.2019 Erwin, big thanks for additional info, now will know about new possibilities from Schneider and will ask local representatives to test new devices when available. BR, Alexander RE: Energy Management by Wiser - manhcuongcldt - 04.07.2019 Hi, I use Modbus TCP between Smartlink SI D and HL KNX, i would like to create a Energy Dashboard to show : Daily Energy usage, Monthly Energy Usage, Total Energy usage. How can I do that?? RE: Energy Management by Wiser - Erwin van der Zwart - 04.07.2019 Hi, Create trends on your datapoints and use this methode to fetch any data from the trendlog to use for visualisation of x period. http://openrb.com/docs/trends-new.htm BR, Erwin RE: Energy Management by Wiser - manhcuongcldt - 09.07.2019 Thanks Erwin, How’s about the “Wiser IP Module” and “PowerTag Link C”? What’s different about them? . Can they integrate with LM? RE: Energy Management by Wiser - Erwin van der Zwart - 10.07.2019 Hi, Wiser IP module, i assume you mean the EER31600 is for Wiser Energy, a low cost energy management system for residential usage. I'm not sure this device talks Modbus as it's intended as gateway between the Wiser Energy App and the energy system. PowerTag Link C is the new name of the SmartLink SI-D as we only use it for PowerTags so the name PowerTag Link makes more sense (: This device talks Modbus IP and can be connected to a W4K, SL or LM. BR, Erwin RE: Energy Management by Wiser - Daniel - 14.07.2019 Actually this wiser is already integrated with w4k. As it was available only in France only French front office has packages to install. Contact SE level 3 support and they should be able to share it. RE: Energy Management by Wiser - domotiqa - 24.10.2019 Work with EER31600, with EER31800 don't knwo ? in user library WiserLinkIP.lua Code: -- ******************************************** -- cycling script: Code: nb_compt = 6 RE: Energy Management by Wiser - stemic01 - 13.01.2021 Hi. What is the latest on power consumpion measuring devices? What are the compadres here using? I was looking into the Schneider line-up as I already have several Schneider devices and also the KNX for Wiser logic module. Is the wiser power measuring system up running and a integrated part to the KNX WISER (HL/SL) now, or is Power tags the way to go? And what is the simplest and best way to integrate everything to LM/Wiser? RE: Energy Management by Wiser - Daniel - 14.01.2021 You need to specify in more details which wiser you have in mind as there is lots of them in SE portfolio. RE: Energy Management by Wiser - stemic01 - 14.01.2021 (14.01.2021, 08:36)Daniel. Wrote: You need to specify in more details which wiser you have in mind as there is lots of them in SE portfolio. Daniel; Hardware: 2 x 12 Schneider actuators with current detection 1 x Schneider Dali gateway 1 x Schneider KNX Wiser (HL / LM) logics module (KNX TP / LAN IP / 1 x Modbus used for Ventilation unit) 2 x Schneider KNX power supply 23 x Schneider circuit breakers 15A - 25A 230v 1 x Mains 3-phase 63A 230v Per now there are NO PowerTags or other devices (except the actuators) installed to track power consumption per circuit. It would be very interesting to get power consumption with trends for several of the circuits. In example Hot-tub, water heater, washing equipment, heated floors (Actuator measure), heat pump etc. Maybe around 10 circuits is sufficient. As I am starting from scratch with power measuring; - it would be great to choose the right solution from the start. Easily installed, user friendly data harvesting (in Wiser KNX), sensible pricing and easily integrated into the KNX Wiser for visualization, trending and warnings. What would be recommended solution for a smooth integration to the KNX WISER ( Logic machine? I am open to look at other brands and solution than those from Schneider catalog. Simple integration is key. RE: Energy Management by Wiser - Daniel - 14.01.2021 The PowerTags works for sure but I have no idea of how much it costs. RE: Energy Management by Wiser - victor.back - 09.01.2023 (14.01.2021, 12:29)Daniel Wrote: The PowerTags works for sure but I have no idea of how much it costs. Hi Daniel. Does the schneider powerTags work to integrate directly with your Zigbee dongel? RE: Energy Management by Wiser - Daniel - 09.01.2023 No, SE is using custom green power and it is very hard to integrate them. RE: Energy Management by Wiser - AlexLV - 11.01.2023 Hi, Daniel is correct, directly they will not work. You need PowerTag Link device. It will communicate with power tags, and it will be like gateway. Exist different models of powertag link devices: 1. A9XMWD20 Can be connected max to 20 PowerTags 2. A9XMWD100 Can be connected max to 100 PoweTags Devices 1. and 2. can be connected over Modbus TCP for data reading. Can be easy connected, exists PowerTag profile in SL/HL, but soon they will not be available. https://www.se.com/ww/en/product-range/64482-acti9-powertag-link 3. For now I also use Power Tag link device ERR31800 which communicate with cloud. I am using free application for mobile to see my house consumption - WiserEnergy, it takes info from cloud. https://www.se.com/ww/en/product/EER31800/wiser-energy-ip-module Now already available new devices for PowerTags - Panel Servers. Different models already available, but I don't know them for now: https://www.se.com/ww/en/product-range/40739468-ecostruxure-panel-server/?preferredCountry=yes Hope info above will help a little Alexander RE: Energy Management by Wiser - domotiqa - 25.08.2023 Hocine told me that he success using a plug as node/repeter (which is used to include powertag). Then he could have it on Home assistant with the same chip used in our zigbee/knx bridge. Did you try ? |