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LogicMachines KNX Rx down after bus power outage - tss68nl - 20.09.2020
Two days ago my bus power supply decided to quit delivering power.
I restarted the power supply and it was fine again (probably some error mode). But I decided to swap out the powersupply altogether for a new one.
However, since the swap, the LogicMachines (I have two in this system) both function and can Tx (transmit) to the bus... but they both do not receive any KNX telegram anymore. I viewed the KNX bus status, and it only counts Tx, no Rx in days on both of them.
All other KNX devices in the system (there are 50) still work Tx and Rx. Only the LogicMachines stopped. It's a LM 5 Power, and some LM2 or 3 rebranded for HVAC control.
There are no errors in error log. Voltage log from all devices has been normal throughout. No spikes or anything.
What is going on? Can these be a polarity issue? I am pretty sure the polarity is correct.
Can it be the LM's are damaged? Then why did the LM's die and all other devices work?
RE: LogicMachines KNX Rx down after bus power outage - Daniel - 21.09.2020
What does the KNX status says in LM about KNX? Have you tried rebooting, power down?
Any errors?
RE: LogicMachines KNX Rx down after bus power outage - tss68nl - 21.09.2020
(21.09.2020, 07:33)Daniel. Wrote: What does the KNX status says in LM about KNX? Have you tried rebooting, power down?
Any errors?
I don't know where to find the 'KNX status'. It just says KNX/TP: OK beneath the LM screens.
Also, in Flashsys > Network > KNX statistics, I can see the TP RX/TX count on 0 / 14037 now, the IP RX/TX is 0 / 0 because I have the LM in TP-UART mode.
The only error in the system log is this one: Sep 18 01:00:18 LogicMachine kern.err kernel: [ 0.318733] Warning: unable to open an initial console.
Ofcourse I tried restarting the LM (about 5 times), and I have hard-shutdown the unit (soft shutdown, then removed power for 10 seconds, then powered the unit again).
RE: LogicMachines KNX Rx down after bus power outage - admin - 21.09.2020
The KNX chip receiver part might be damaged.
RE: LogicMachines KNX Rx down after bus power outage - tss68nl - 21.09.2020
(21.09.2020, 08:07)admin Wrote: The KNX chip receiver part might be damaged.
Sure looks like it. So now I have two deaf LogicMachines
Can I give them a hearing aid? Or do I bury them at a graveyard?
RE: LogicMachines KNX Rx down after bus power outage - Daniel - 21.09.2020
They will work over IP so adding an interface would keep them alive.
RE: LogicMachines KNX Rx down after bus power outage - tss68nl - 21.09.2020
(21.09.2020, 10:38)Daniel. Wrote: They will work over IP so adding an interface would keep them alive.
Good idea, although the IP communication tends to lose a telegram here and there occasionally.
I really liked the TP connection because it's thrustworthy.
RE: LogicMachines KNX Rx down after bus power outage - Daniel - 21.09.2020
You could use tunneling, this is over TCP. Should be solid connection.
RE: LogicMachines KNX Rx down after bus power outage - tss68nl - 21.09.2020
(21.09.2020, 10:44)Daniel. Wrote: You could use tunneling, this is over TCP. Should be solid connection.
Yeah, thought of that 5 seconds after posting.... I set up tunneling which works.
At least it now gets it's data. Funny thing is that once you setup tunneling, it seems to omit the TP-UART right? Since the transmitted values are just on the bus once.
Only downside is having used yet another 2 of 5 total tunneling connections. I already have 2 occupied by a logging and visualisation system. Oh well. Best used KNX/IP router ever.
Weird that only the LM's died. All other KNX units survived....
RE: LogicMachines KNX Rx down after bus power outage - admin - 21.09.2020
You can ship devices to us for repair if you want.
RE: LogicMachines KNX Rx down after bus power outage - tss68nl - 21.09.2020
(21.09.2020, 11:01)admin Wrote: You can ship devices to us for repair if you want.
Yeah I probably will
I'll order a new one to keep the house running in the meantime though I just found out that almost all units did not survive the power supply failing: of the 50 or so units, only 6 still receive telegrams.... oops! That is a costly power supply!
Will get another brand for sure....