BACNET IP and IP filters comm

[admin]

If you block by individual address then it's not possible to pass any specific telegrams. Group address filtering provides more flexibility in this case.

[ALEJANDRO]

ok, thanks

[ALEJANDRO]

Good afternoon,

I need to review this conversation thread again. I'll try to recall the original problem. I had a building controlled by four logic machines: three receiving KNX data from sensors in apartments across three entrances (P1, P2, and P3) and Modbus data from the energy meters; the fourth logic machine was for the building's garage.

The problem I had was that I had grouped the SCADA displays under LM_P1. Because of this, LM_P1 was receiving data from LM_P2 and LM_P3 for temperature, CO2, and relative humidity, as well as from the energy meters (kWh).

The resulting problem is that the bus load on LM_P1 is very high, at 100%, and I can't reduce it. I just blocked it from receiving data from the other logic machines, but it's still receiving a constant load.

For some reason, certain addresses are duplicated, and I don't know why. I'm not sure if it's a scripting issue or an ETS configuration problem. I've even considered the possibility that the line coupler is in repeater mode. I've attached screenshots of everything.

[admin]

LM with KNX address 1.1.250 is spamming the bus with read telegrams. Disable poll interval for all objects and check your scripts for grp.read calls.

[ALEJANDRO]

How do I disable the polling interval? Is there a parameter to disable it, or do I have to go through each group address individually? Also, it's in remote mode; I don't have the logic machine here.

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Could the following scripts be to blame?

[Daniel]

Just make sure that pool interval is empty. You can use mass edit in objects to do all at once.

[admin]

Poll interval - use Mass edit > Object properties > Field list = Poll interval (seconds). Set to 0 and save.

Scripts - use grp.checkwrite instead of grp.write to lower the bus load.

grp.read - go to Scripting > Tools > Print script listing. Use find to look for any grp.read calls.

[ALEJANDRO]

Okay, I removed the interval and the bus load percentage dropped significantly.

Regarding the readings, I didn't find any `grp.read` commands, but I did find many `grp.write` commands. I've attached images.



Is there a way to globally replace all `grp.write` statements with `checkwrite`?

[admin]

There's no mass edit for script - you have to edit scripts manually.

It's possible that you have a loop in the KNX where several LMs are connected to the KNX/TP segment. This causes telegrams to be duplicated many times because LMs also communicate over KNX/IP between each other.

[ALEJANDRO]

Okay, I'll modify them.

Yes, that's right, the logic machines are connected via KNX/IP, and physically they're connected to a rack with UTP cables.

[ALEJANDRO]

Poll interval - use Mass edit > Object properties > Field list = Poll interval (seconds). Set to 0 and save.

Scripts - use grp.checkwrite instead of grp.write to lower the bus load.

grp.read - go to Scripting > Tools > Print script listing. Use find to look for any grp.read calls.

If I want to change the `grp.write("address group")` command to `grp.checkwrite`, I have to use this command:

For example, how do we modify `>>>>> grp.write(GA_MAX_TEMP, 0)`?

[admin]

Use this:

Code:

grp.checkwrite(GA_MAX_TEMP, 0)

But this is a minor thing compared to the possible loop in KNX. Provide a screenshot of active ETS group monitor.

[ALEJANDRO]

Good morning,

I'm not there right now; I have to go. When I get there, I'll connect and show you what you're asking for.

As I mentioned, I have four logic machines connected by UTP cable to the same point, and they've all been loaded with the same ETS file.

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Regarding that potential loop, I want to clarify how we've set up the topology:

We have three logic machines (LMs) at each entrance of a building:

- Via KNX/TP, each LM receives data from 27 temperature, humidity, and CO2 sensors and 27 touch displays.

- Modbus RTU, data from 27 residential electricity meters.

One LM receives data from a garage.

At the IP level, the LMs are connected via UTP to a point where we've installed a router. If I connect via Wi-Fi or Ethernet cable, I can access the logic machines through their IP addresses. Additionally, LM1, LM2, and LM3 have the same KNXPROD file loaded; it's an ETS6 file I created for group addresses.

[Daniel]

Draw up your KNX topology and show it as a picture.

[ALEJANDRO]

Yes, sure.

I'm attaching an image of the building's topology.

[Daniel]

And where are the LM2/3/4 connected? Is it the same KNX/TP or seperate?

[ALEJANDRO]

They are separated

[ALEJANDRO]

Good morning,

I have two questions.

First, as you know from these conversations, I have four Logic Machines (LMs) connected to the same point via UTP cable. This should mean that LM_1 (192.168.0.11), LM_2 (192.168.0.12), LM_3 (192.168.0.13), and LM_4 (192.168.0.16) should be neighbors. However, only the fourth Logic Machine (LM_4) appears as a neighbor for LM_1, 2, and 3, and no neighboring LM_s appear for Logic Machine 4. This is very strange. I've attached photos.

Second, I just configured the following on LM_2: in KNX connection > Local > IP filter > block sending data to LM_1 (1.1.250) > drop selected individual addresses 1.1.* > OK, but it's not working. LM_1 is receiving data from LM_2. I know that if I do this from LM_1 > IP filter > Local > 1.2.* it will work, but I want to try other ways to filter the information. In fact, what I want is for communication to be filtered by objects; that is, I want to block or allow IP communication between LMs using the IP > Loc Filter and Loc > IP filter columns in the objects tab. I've attached an image.

[Daniel]

What is the filtering policy?
Do you have the same firmware on all LMs?

[ALEJANDRO]

Regarding the firmware, I'm sending screenshots.

Regarding the filter policy, let me explain what I want:

1- I don't want communication between LM1, LM2, and LM3. I think I've achieved this by setting the KNX addresses in IP filter > local, and dropping the selected individual addresses on each LM.

2- What I'd like is to choose which common group addresses can be shared between LM4 and each individual LM by clicking on the object filters.