Energy Management by Wiser

[baggins]

Hi,

I'm looking for a way to get as much information as possible on my energy consumption.

I came across 'Energy Management System' by Wiser ( https://www.schneider-electric.com/en/product-range-presentation/62107-wiser-energy/  ) but I cannot find much information on how to get at the data that is collects.
There is of course the app, but I would prefer to have this integrated in my KNX system using LM.

Does someone have any experience with this?

Thanks.

[Erwin van der Zwart]

Hi,

Wiser Energy is a part of the new Schneider Electric platform 'Wiser' for residential.

The system will exist of the modules Light, Heat, Energy and Door. The plan is to make this compatible with Wiser for KNX.

The system is not launched in the Netherlands before end of this year so i have not played with it yet.

I will ask the team for more info on the API, i will see them next Thursday. You need the Wiser Home Touch as gateway to the Zigbee products. The Wiser Energy has his own NIC so probably we can link directly to the Energy module.

BR,

Erwin

[baggins]

Hi,

Wiser Energy is a part of the new Schneider Electric platform 'Wiser' for residential.

The system will exist of the modules Light, Heat, Energy and Door. The plan is to make this compatible with Wiser for KNX.

The system is not launched in the Netherlands before end of this year so i have not played with it yet.

I will ask the team for more info on the API, i will see them next Thursday. You need the Wiser Home Touch as gateway to the Zigbee products. The Wiser Energy has his own NIC so probably we can link directly to the Energy module.

BR,

Erwin

Thanks, in Belgium it seems to be available already, or at least announced...

[AlexLV]

Hi,

I think you can do your power metering a little faster than wait new products You can try to find "Power Tag" solution from Schneider.

We can install this solution very easily to existing cabinet. Idea - one receiver in cabinet with network connection and some wireless modules (1 or 3 phases) connected directly to your circuit breakers. They measure current and voltage, and of course consumpted power. Main module has Modbus over TCP - I think no any problem create profile and connect to LM. In this system also exist curcuit breakers you can on/off through main module.. I was very surprised during presentation and testing of this system..

Some info below:

https://www.schneider-electric.com/en/pr...g/?Nrpp=40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hOWEp4bGFs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmMe8W427_I

Price also is interesting enough.

For main input control in my house I use "Janitza" PM device I connected to Schneider Modbus/Network gateway and created profile for it. But in my case I need additionally use current tranformers to measure current.

My device:

https://www.janitza.com/umg-103-cbm.html

BR,

Alexander

[Erwin van der Zwart]

Hi,

True, we have a lot of products to do power measurement, all with there own specific measurement quality and build in features.

Wiser has been developped for the residential market and based on the requirements in that segment.
This results in a perfect balance of price and functionallity and makes Wiser a much cheaper solution then the powertags, both products will do the job but, for the residential market, most of the time a high accurency product like the powertag will be to expensive.

Glad to hear powertag is on a good price level in your opinion, i personally would use it instead of wiser  because of the easy installing, but reality is that majority of the market makes their selection based on price.

BR,

Erwin

[AlexLV]

Erwin,

big thanks for additional info, now will know about new possibilities from Schneider and will ask local representatives to test new devices when available.

BR,

Alexander

[manhcuongcldt]

Hi,
I use Modbus TCP between Smartlink SI D and HL KNX, i would like to create a Energy Dashboard to show : Daily Energy usage, Monthly Energy Usage, Total Energy usage.
How can I do that??

[Erwin van der Zwart]

Hi,

Create trends on your datapoints and use this methode to fetch any data from the trendlog to use for visualisation of x period.

http://openrb.com/docs/trends-new.htm

BR,

Erwin

[manhcuongcldt]

Thanks Erwin,

How’s about the “Wiser IP Module” and “PowerTag Link C”? What’s different about them? .

Can they integrate with LM?

[Erwin van der Zwart]

Hi,

Wiser IP module, i assume you mean the EER31600 is for Wiser Energy, a low cost energy management system for residential usage. I'm not sure this device talks Modbus as it's intended as gateway between the Wiser Energy App and the energy system.

PowerTag Link C is the new name of the SmartLink SI-D as we only use it for PowerTags so the name PowerTag Link makes more sense (: This device talks Modbus IP and can be connected to a W4K, SL or LM.

BR,

Erwin

[Daniel]

Actually this wiser is already integrated with w4k. As it was available only in France only French front office has packages to install. Contact SE level 3 support and they should be able to share it.

[domotiqa]

Work with EER31600, with EER31800 don't knwo ?

in user library

WiserLinkIP.lua

Code:

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-- ******************************************** -- --               SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC             -- --                                              -- -- Author : Valentin THOMAS                     -- -- Version : 1.0                                -- -- Update Date : 17/10/2017                     -- -- Name : WISER_LINK.lua                        -- --                                              -- -- ******************************************** -- WISER_LINK = function ()   local self = {script={}}   local debug = false   local history = false   local json = require('json')   local http = require("socket.http")   -- -------------------------------------------------------------------   --- This function   -- @param (none)   --   -- @return (none)   function round(nb)     i,f=math.modf(nb)     return i+(math.ceil(f/0.0625)*0.0625)   end   -- -------------------------------------------------------------------   --- This function   -- @param (none)   --   -- @return (none)   function self.getData(_ip, _login, _password)         local wiser_data = {}     local datas, http_code, header, err = http.request("http://".._login..":".._password.."@".._ip.."/vesta/UsageMeter")         --Si le code HTTP de la réponse est 200     if http_code == 200 then       if not datas then         error('Cannot fetch data at : '..ip_address)           else                   local datas=json.decode(datas)         for index,usage in pairs (datas.UsageMeterList)do                       usage_name=string.gsub(usage.Type," ","_")--Remplacement de l'espace par un underscore           wiser_data["Power_"..usage_name]=round(usage.Power)           wiser_data["Energy_"..usage_name]=round(usage.EnergyConsumed)                   end               end             else       msg=string.format("Error in HTTP request, code:%s, Message:%s",http_code,err)               error(msg)       log(msg)       alert(msg)     end   end   -- -------------------------------------------------------------------   --- This function   -- @param (none)   --   -- @return (none)   function self.script.event(event, _params)   end   -- -------------------------------------------------------------------   --- This function   -- @param (none)   --   -- @return (none)   function self.script.cycle( _params )   end   -- -------------------------------------------------------------------   --- This function   -- @param (none)   --   -- @return (none)   function self.script.scheduler( _params )       end     return self end class_var =  WISER_LINK() return class_var -- CODE POUR SCRIPTS CLIENT --[[ WISER_LINK = require('user.WISER_LINK') params = {   tag_name = 'record',              -- tag to add to each knx object to record   records_delay = 1,                -- delay between 2 records in minutes   records_limit = 50000,            -- limit of the sql table (adviced 50 000 - 10% de la mémoire)   export_delay = 60,                -- delay between 2 exports on usb key in minutes   export_value_separator  = ';',    -- name of the export file on the usb key   export_line_separator = '\r\n',   -- name of the export file on the usb key   export_file_name = 'log.csv'      -- name of the export file on the usb key } ]]--

cycling script:

Code:

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nb_compt = 6 DEBUG = true require('user.WiserLinkIP') --[[ Description du nom des usages Hot_Water = Eau Chaude Sanitaire Cooling = Refroidissement Heating = Chauffage Sockets = Prises Others = Autres Electricity_Meter = Total issu du TIC ]]-- ADD_IP="192.168.1.11" -- Adresse IP du module Wiser Link IP PORT=80 --Précision d'un numero de port si NAT sinon laisser 80 LOGIN="admin"--Login PASS="admin"--Mot de passe if not my_wiser then   my_wiser=WiserLinkIP.new(ADD_IP..":"..PORT,LOGIN,PASS) end -- Récupération des données depuis le module Wiser Link IP -- Le rafraichissment est basé sur le temps de cycle du présent script my_wiser:fetchDatas() --Rafraichissment des valeurs sur KNX/IP --log(my_wiser) -- UPDATE KNX VARIABLES -- Energies grp.update('6/0/1', my_wiser.Energy_Heating)     --Chauffage grp.update('6/0/2', my_wiser.Energy_Sockets)     --Prises grp.update('6/0/3', my_wiser.Energy_Electricity_Meter) --Total grp.update('6/0/4', my_wiser.Energy_Hot_Water)     --Eau Chaude grp.update('6/0/5', my_wiser.Energy_Others)     --Autre grp.update('6/0/6', my_wiser.Energy_Cooling)     --Eau Froide -- Puissances --grp.update('6/1/0',my_wiser.Power_Sockets) --grp.update('8/2/2',my_wiser.Power_Hot_Water) --grp.update('8/2/3',my_wiser.Power_Heating) --grp.update('8/2/4',my_wiser.Power_Cooling) --grp.update('8/2/5',my_wiser.Power_Electricity_Meter) --grp.update('8/2/6',my_wiser.Power_Others)

[stemic01]

Hi. What is the latest on power consumpion measuring devices? What are the compadres here using?
I was looking into the Schneider line-up as I already have several Schneider devices and also the KNX for Wiser logic module. Is the wiser power measuring system up running and a integrated part to the KNX WISER (HL/SL) now, or is Power tags the way to go? And what is the simplest and best way to integrate everything to LM/Wiser?

[Daniel]

You need to specify in more details which wiser you have in mind as there is lots of them in SE portfolio.

[stemic01]

You need to specify in more details which wiser you have in mind as there is lots of them in SE portfolio.

Daniel; 
Hardware: 
2 x 12 Schneider actuators with current detection 
1 x Schneider Dali gateway 
1 x Schneider KNX Wiser (HL / LM) logics module (KNX TP / LAN IP / 1 x Modbus used for  Ventilation unit)
2 x Schneider KNX power supply
23 x Schneider circuit breakers 15A - 25A 230v
1 x Mains 3-phase 63A 230v
 
Per now there are NO PowerTags or other devices (except the actuators) installed to track power consumption per circuit. It would be very interesting to get power consumption with trends for several of the circuits. In example Hot-tub, water heater, washing equipment, heated floors (Actuator measure), heat pump etc. Maybe around 10 circuits is sufficient. 

As I am starting from scratch with power measuring; -  it would be great to choose the right solution from the start. Easily installed, user friendly data harvesting (in Wiser KNX), sensible pricing and easily integrated into the KNX Wiser for visualization, trending and warnings. What would be recommended solution for a smooth integration to the KNX WISER ( Logic machine? I am open to look at other brands and solution than those from Schneider catalog. Simple integration is key.

[Daniel]

The PowerTags works for sure but I have no idea of how much it costs.

[victor.back]

The PowerTags works for sure but I have no idea of how much it costs.

Hi Daniel.

Does the schneider powerTags work to integrate directly with your Zigbee dongel?

[Daniel]

No, SE is using custom green power and it is very hard to integrate them.

[AlexLV]

Hi,

Daniel is correct, directly they will not work. You need PowerTag Link device. It will communicate with power tags, and it will be like gateway. Exist different models of powertag link devices:
1. A9XMWD20 Can be connected max to 20 PowerTags
2. A9XMWD100 Can be connected max to 100 PoweTags

Devices 1. and 2. can be connected over Modbus TCP for data reading. Can be easy connected, exists PowerTag profile in SL/HL, but soon they will not be available.
https://www.se.com/ww/en/product-range/6...ertag-link

3. For now I also use Power Tag link device ERR31800 which communicate with cloud. I am using free application for mobile to see my house consumption - WiserEnergy, it takes info from cloud. https://www.se.com/ww/en/product/EER3180...-ip-module

Now already available new devices for PowerTags - Panel Servers. Different models already available, but I don't know them for now:

https://www.se.com/ww/en/product-range/4...ountry=yes

Hope info above will help a little

Alexander

[domotiqa]

Hocine told me that he success using a plug as node/repeter (which is used to include powertag). Then he could have it on Home assistant with the same chip used in our zigbee/knx bridge.
Did you try ?